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| Harry Font |
learning things and crash course effectsIf i was to start learning a skil.. for example brick laying.It takes 6 months to train to get the skil. Now 2 options: Option 1: I spend 3 months learning the skill and then there is an event. During that event i crash course the skill twice. Does that mean in the following down time i only have to complete 1 months training to get the perm skill ? Option 2: Same skill but i have 5 months training in the skill. On thr friday night of the event i crash course the skill. Now if that reduces a month of the training time, does that mean that (i) i get the skill perm as of the friday night or (ii) i get the skill perm as of the saturday or (iii) i have to wait till the start of the next down time to get the skill as a perm ? Just clearing up options here. 2nd thing: (temp to perm feats) If after you have used the 5 x the feat 'Lemon throttaling' you get the skill 'Lemon slaughter'. Now you use your 5th 'lemon throtalling' during a mission do you automatically get your first 'Lemon slaughter' during the mission on when the mission ends ? |
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| Fenric |
As per the wording Crash course requires you to learn it in the downtime immediately after you've used the feat to a minimum of 1 month. So if you had five months brick laying, using a crash course means that in your next downtime Brick Laying is reduced to 1 month (min 1 month). Since you only have 1 month left, the crash course has no effect on you learning it.
As for the second question, I thought temp to perms happened in the downtime after the event when your characters were updated since otherwise you're actually gaining an extra feat use if it were to happen during an event. |
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| Harry Font |
ok thats the crash courses sorted..
the temp to perm happens during the event, always has done |
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| Fenric |
I've never put mine up during an event when I've used feats - I've always waited until the end of an event. | ||
| Harry Font |
i have always checked with a ref.. and they have ok'd it
just wnated to know if it would happen on a mission.. as with some thay may mean the diffrence between a character living or dying |
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| Fenric |
Yeah I agree that it's a loophole that needs to be closed one way or another - I don't use enough feats to actually notice 
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| Richard Tyler |
I've always assumed that you gain the perm feat after the mission when you trade them in with a ref. Thats the way it used to work.
James: "I've used 5 Lemon Throttlings now, ok to trade them up?" Tony : "Yeah sure, you now have lemon slaughtering"* (what Tony would actually say in this situation is probably more like "Lemon Throttling? you twat!") |
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| Harry Font |
must admit that i have never upgraded on a mission.. thought i did cross my mind at the last event.. hence clarification | ||
| Fenric |
Nah, he'd be more like "Wuss, you should have traded up to Citrus Mauling instead, it's got more uses." |
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| Harry Font |
fruit based combat.. um could be the way ahead !! | ||
| Richard Tyler |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4bCyIAsSid8 | ||
| Woody |
Definately needs a clarrfication as it was explained to me the other way by previous organisers. Where you get the permentant feat there and then. Yes this does mean you automatically get an extra use straight away.
But am happy for a clarification one way or the other. |
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| Steven Daniels |
We (Tony, Nick, Theo & I) did discuss these when we had our meeting last year and (although they may have changed in the recent rules meeting/stuff..!)...
As for the feat trade up: it is an automatic trade up so if you use your 5th 'Mango Mashing' (fruit based issues..!) on the mission you get the permenant version and can use it instantly as a sort of well done! Just a quick reminder that:
Your 2nd upgrade will have cost you a total of 11 temporary feats [5+6]) used 3rd upgrade will have cost you a total of 18 temporary feats [5+6+7] used 4th upgrade will have cost you a total of 26 temporary feats [5+6+7+8] used, etc, etc..! So although you might be able to do the same thing in every mission, you will have taken & used almost 3 events worth of feats (9/event) on the same thing! All of the above is based on the current version [2/5/8] of the rules, prior to publication by the system ref's of any new rules |
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| Fenric |
Re: learning things and crash course effects
Just to clarify these answers in light of the new rules Crash Course : The "reduction" effect of Crash Course now only reduces the timing by 1 month per event (ie.. you can't use it once per day to reduce it by 3 months) to a minimum of 1 month. So as before you cannot "learn" the skill by purely using crash course. E.g. to learn Unarmed Combat (10 Months) you can do the following : Event - Use Crash Course (Reduce time from 10 to 9 months) Downtime - Train Unarmed, Train Unarmed, Train Unarmed (3/9) Event - Use Crash Course (Reduce time from 9 to 8 months) Downtime - Train Unarmed, Train Unarmed, Train Unarmed (6/ 
Event - Use Crash Course (Reduce time from 8 to 7 months) Downtime - Train Unarmed (7/7) - Learnt Permanant Feats : As per the clarification in the new rules - upgrades to permanant feats now occur during the downtime after the event - they are not gained during the event itself. |
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| sm0keyb |
Re: learning things and crash course effects
Can you confirm if this is "per event" purely, or "per event, per skill"? In other words can you use one crash course only per event for any purpose, or can you use crash courses to advance several different skills by one month each, at the same event? |
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| Fenric |
Crash Course also states "If you learn the skill in your downtime immediately following the event" - so you could theoretically use three crash courses (1 a day) on three different skills, as long as you learn all three different skills in the downtime following the event. Also you can't crash course Alien Technology, it has to be a standard skill.
So you could Crash Course Melee, Civil Engineering and Mech Engineering and then spend the downtime learning one month of each... but doing it that way would actually mean you take forever to learn the three skills
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| Woody |
Can I ask why no crash course on Alien Tech. Provided you have the proper teachings is should be no different.
For instance I want to learn DHD and I spend time with Merryweather to crash course it, or Ancient from Gun-Bunny WHy is that any different from spending time with Stephen daniels to learn Hacking? |
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| Fenric |
Because according to the rules it has to be ain a category they already possess.. When it was written it was only intended to be for the main "academic" skills - it was then expanded after prodding of Sam to include Combat skills :
as it state s: "I.e. a biologist can pick up any of the biological sciences, a linguist can pick up a language, an archaeologist can pick up a culture, a military person can pick up large weapons if they only had medium" You can't crash course anything outside the standard skills since they're "too difficult" - you also can't crash course veteren skills by the same token, has to be in a category you already possess. |
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| Earthbinder |
mathematically its quicker and easier to do it this way. Event 1 Crash course - Lemon wrangling Crash course - Mango Wrestling Crash course - nose picking Downtime LW 6 months -- CC to 5, trained 1 outstanding 4 MW 6 months -- CC to 5, trained 1 outstanding 4 NP 6 months -- CC to 5, trained 1 outstanding 4 Event 2 Crash course - Lemon wrangling Crash course - Mango Wrestling Crash course - nose picking Downtime LW 4 months -- CC to 3, trained 1 outstanding 2 MW 4 months -- CC to 3, trained 1 outstanding 2 NP 4 months -- CC to 3, trained 1 outstanding 2 Event 3 Crash course - Lemon wrangling Crash course - Mango Wrestling Crash course - nose picking Downtime LW 2 months -- CC to 1, trained 1 outstanding 0 MW 2 months -- CC to 1, trained 1 outstanding 0 NP 2 months -- CC to 1, trained 1 outstanding 0 Event 4 Learned Lemon wrangling Mango Wrestling Nose Picking Compared to without CC Event 1 Downtime Train lemon wrangling - Outstanding 3 Event 2 Downtime train lemon wrangling - Outstanding 0 - Learnt Event 3 Downtime Train Mango wrestling - outstanding 3 Event 4 Downtime Train Mango wrestling - outstanding 0 - Learnt NET effect spending the 9 crash courses not only buys you a free skill but knocks 3 months off the total learning time. the cost/effect power is magnified if your going for any of the higher or longer study time skills[/quote] |
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| Fenric |
Oops, I stand corrected - you're right there Dom - of course you couldn't do anything else than learn those three skills for the three events - but you're totally right. | ||
| Olivia Chase |
*Tries to get image of Flash mango wrestling out of head* | ||
| Earthbinder |
<<<<< is a rules monkey, who enjoys playing MtG for the complex rules interactions and timing effects.
nad not just a bastard who like to point out when THE MANN is wrong. 
its perfectly fine so long as both are consenting fruit and your in a bath full of pineapple juice |
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| Fenric |
I played Magic the Gathering because it was fun 
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