Grenade Phys Reps

gliderrider · Grenade Phys Reps

Hi
What do people use for LRP safe phys reps of thrown grenades?

I have more than my fair share of resin prop and metal training grenades, but I would imagine that being hit by grenades made from resin, even by accident would be very painful, and remove the fun from the event.

I had thought about modifying a tennis ball but even with a rubber ruse housing it would be painful if it hit you at the wrong angle.

JT

The ones I've seen in the past are a foam cylinder, weighted with a water balloon.

I keep saying I'm going to make some, but I never get around to it.

T.

gliderrider

So they are more along the lines of a Smoke/ WP/ Incendury grenade than the classic M68 Ball type?

JT

sm0keyb

The ones I've made are a tennis ball with a short piece of pipe lagging on top. I've also done some with thin foam rubber 'shrapnel' over the tennis ball. A key ring & split pin thro' the pipe lagging makes it easy to identify spent munitions, anything without the pin is spent. There are also WP & smokes made from pipe lagging but I don't know who made them.

gliderrider

Well Iv just been out with my weapons munky to the forign fields LRP kit fair, and I'v picked a few ideas up from him.

M68 ball grenade= Stress ball for the main body, housing for the pin & Safety lever etc made out of 5mm self adhesive foam laminated together, and depending on the safety ruleing either a genuine "spoon" and split pin, or carve it out of the same piece for the housing. And silicoln sealant in the center of the stress ball if it needs weighting.

The problem that ocured to me with a genuine spoon & Split pin, is if someone else picks up one of my grenades who has a different construction, and throws it without removing the pin(it would be sprung, so the spoon would fly off anyway) it could produce very nasty cuts if it hits you.

WP/Smoke/Incendury type= Same top, but a length of pipe lagging as the main body, again weighted with silicoln, and finished as per normal lrp weapons(Iso flex, latex etc)

how does this sound to those "In the know"?

Richard Tyler

seeing as grenades are seldom if ever actually thrown directly at people I cant see any problem with the split pins and certainly wouldn't have any problems with them. Metal gun barrels will always be more of a safety risk than a metal ring on a foam grenade. (No I'm not saying people shouldn't have metal gun barrels but I've had some right doofs over the head from ones in the dark Very Happy

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kiwi

myself and derek made some grenades out of tennis balls will lagging and foam spoons as well a smoke made from pipe lag as well

note t can take a lot of time

but as the aroury officer I was always being asked for grenades

gliderrider

Im a security so time is one thing I have in abundance.

Plenty of time ti come up with propper plans, draw up materials requirements etc, and as long as I can fit it all in a 18"x18"x30" bag, I can make them at work as well.(A friend of mine made a full chain hauberk at work over one winter)

Sorry JT, I didnt mean that post to sound like a critisism Im trying to get an idea of which ones have allready been done, as a starting point for my ideas.

darren1

JT

kiwi

if you have the time to do it then go for it, most things that you see at the games being used by player were made by them.

if you do something new, like rail cannon just check with the system ref so they know, and fit it in to the rules

ps if you make really good stuff you may get orders

gliderrider

TBH, I cant see me making fancy weapons like the rail gun, as I dont have the skill. But I cant see any difficulty in 'nades & melee weapons.

I might be able to do simple weapons like the M2HB .50Cal, M72 60mm LAW, Javlin & Milan ATGM, Stinger SLSAM & Mortars as propper replicas as well as PE4(We are british after all)& C4 Blocks. In fact im working on a M72 with removable end caps, flip up sights and extendable tubes.

sm0keyb

JT

Where does the VCRA stand on things like mortars, rocket launchers, etc?

kiwi

i'm not entiey sure, if you go to some airsoft retail sites M203's dont appears to required UKARA

so I would assume that larger weapon systems are not covered but i'm not sure

sm0keyb

The VCRA must refer back to the (I think) 1968 & 1983 acts for it's definition of "firearms" which is quite broad in those acts. Basically it covers most things that can launch a projectile or a noxious liquid or gas so I think technically support weapons are covered, however, the police's interest is in imitation pistols et al & I have seen no reference anywhere to anything other that pistols smgs, rifles & shotguns. As long as the usual precautions are observed, like no public display, keeping them out of site in transit etc we shouldn't have a problem. In the case of my rocket launcher, it doesn't look like any "Real" weapon, so it's not a RIF.

I must say, I'd like a more authoritative answer though, if anybody has one.

gliderrider

Yes, a firearm is anything that launchers anything basically. And that includes grenade & Rocket Launchers, Mortors, Flamethrowers, CS type Sprays etc.

But its more of what is in the spirit of the act. When they penned it they did not aim to stop middle aged blokes gathering round their new replica .50 Cal for their jeep, but to stop chavs running arround with replica UZI's.

As well as that, As I'v allready said I can claim the re-enactment and Airsoft deffences & exemptions, so I could make stuff and keep it in my collection, and then bring it as and when required.

kiwi

ok heres the order for the armoury

Grenades
mortars + ammo
.50 MG
claymores
C4 or P4
12 javlin
4 starstreak
law 90's
155mm howitzers
a couple of pink panthers
2 challanger II's
2 Apache heleicopters
ambulance
full armoured brigade

thats all i can think of at this time, but I'll you know Very Happy

Colour Sargent Rob Knight

You can have the lot, providing you can get the paperwork past Captin Fitzgerald, coz your on your own when he sees the invoice.

gliderrider

I think the following might be a bit tricky to bring through a gate.

sm0keyb

The Argo's got "MALP" stamped all over it. I'm working on the Landrover but I've got to turn it's lace curtain back into a chassis first! Look on http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/sm0keyb/ in the "Thunderer" album.

Mk19 AGL??? Oh my Lord, yes please Very Happy

gliderrider

It shouldnt be that hard to put a remote controll on the argo. Afterall it stears by braking so I would guess that the controll levers are connected electronically, but im probably wrong. I'll have a word with an argo owner I know and see what I could come up with.

Mk19AGL should be a piece of cake, since its basically a scaled up Browning .50"cal, but would it be LRP able? Grenades are doable, but what if you have lots of grenade calls? How do normal grenade launchers work?

sm0keyb

A machine grenade launcher is so so tempting but, honestly, I think it would be a game breaker.

I've got lot's of prop ideas but the shit the refs would have to throw at us to keep it competitive if we were that well armed doesn't bear thinking about!

A MALP would be oh so cool though!

gliderrider

I agree on the game breaker for the AGL.

I think that next months rates are going to go on an argo. It should be pretty easy to just box in the cockpit with brushed ali or sheet plastic and make it look like part of the analitical kit for the MALP. Now, Where where to find the money for it.

Edit -
I'v just gotten off the phone with these guys http://www.argocat.com/index.html . Apparently the MALP is an ARGOCAT Magnum, they are out of production and aprox 2nd hand price is £2.5K.

JT

There was an 80s TV show called 'Now Get Out of That!' which featured one of those about once a series. Or at least its forebears.

Actually, that show bears quite a lot of a resemblance to SGLRP events.