Freeman
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Disarm (posted here so as not to confuse things elsewhere) | comedyofhate wrote: | | Disarm - i would make that a feat that only forces an opponent to drop their weapon and have a melee version of it also. |
I'm biased on this one. I'll say that first, so people know I won't be offended when they shoot me down.
UAC Disarm - anyone who's done any martial arts knows that it's just as easy to take the weapon for yourself as to see it skitter across the floor.
It's a nice twist to the usual disarm calls found in larp, and has a realworld grounding.
(Hell, removing a pistol from an assailant, tieing him up with his own arms, and using him as a flesh guard, while you cock the pistol on his neck and fire at his buddies is doable - I've been taught (and since forgotten) how to do it.)
Disarm with firearm is possible, you shoot the weapon not the person.
Disarm in melee - to be honest your targetting a weapon with, most likely, a weapon. Your weapon will most likely be in your primary hand, to taking his is going to be more difficult than sending it arcing up into the air and across the floor.
If someone has Ambi I don't see as much of a problem taking the enemy weapon in their off hand, but it'll still be more awkward because you're sacrificing an amount of manipulation by putting a weapon in your primary hand.
Yes, melee needs a disarm, but, IMHO, not the same as the UAC disarm.
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The Kibble
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problem is when you are getting to disarm in melee in generally involves some level of using your other empty hand and like UAC disarm leads to you having the weapon. But there are levels to these things.
edit: oh and a weapon in hadn gives you different options to having an empty hand when it comes to disarming as the weapon can do things your hand can't.
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Freeman
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Most disarms I've seen from an armed combat perspective in volve attacking the enemy's weapon, or their weaopn hand with such jarring force, or from such an angle that they drop the weapon, or it gets sent skittering across the floor. Both of which have little involvement with the empty off hand.
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Esther
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Tom says the first 2 disarms he learnt involve taking the sword off people.
The first is a medieval broadsword technique and the second elizabethan fencing.
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Freeman
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Fair enough. Having learned neither I wouldn't know.
I just know what I've been taught.
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Esther
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| Freeman wrote: | Fair enough. Having learned neither I wouldn't know.
I just know what I've been taught. |
Grin.. see that's why you should learn your homelands styles not someone elses 
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Richard Tyler
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UAC disarm of someone with a knife is completely different to disarming someone with a gun and different principles apply. when tackling a knife you tend to go for the wrist and you need to avoid the blade (possibly using it to your advantage when you have control) with a gun you can actually, and its beneficial to take the weapon itself as it lessens their ability to fire it. For lrp isnt it all academic tho as you are just going to touch them or the like and say 'disarm'  but yeah either way the idea is usually to end up with the weapon
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The Kibble
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the thing is there are different ways to do this.
There are unarmed styles which will just take a weapon out of someone's hands such as using kicks there are also unarmed styles where you take the weapon off people.
Also there are armed styles which do both.
But the important thing to remember here is we are doing a game not creating a realistic combat system otherwise our firearms system needs even more complexity.
IMHO we don't want to make things to complicated more calls make more complexity.
If you allow other things to do disarm and want it to allow someone to take the weapon then I would suggest it reads
On a call of disarm you knock the weapon from the other persons hand. If you have a hold on the weapon at the time as you call disarm then you may continue to hold it when they let go.
At no time should real wresting take place over a weapon if they call some form of negate you should immediately release the weapon
Now obviously unarmed disarm this is more likely to be the case but can allow others.
Personally as Kibble I kill them then take their sword
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Freeman
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[quote=Kibble]
On a call of disarm you knock the weapon from the other persons hand. If you have a hold on the weapon at the time as you call disarm then you may continue to hold it when they let go.
At no time should real wresting take place over a weapon if they call some form of negate you should immediately release the weapon [/quote]
Sounds good to me. I'd be happy wi that.
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